Xiao Tulam s interview 2: My dad teaches me to work hard on whatever I want. The goal is better every day than yesterday
French magazine "Onze Mondial" interviewed Inter forward Marcus Toulam. After Inter Milan eliminated Feyenoord in the Champions League in March, the magazine has released all the content on its official website. In this article, Toulam will introduce his life.
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Are you a comic fan? How did you start?
When I was a child, I started watching Dragon Ball with my cousins. We were 9 or 10 years old. Later I bought comics and watched "Naruto", which opened up more comics. I am still reading a lot of comics now.
Which comic has the deepest relationship with you?
"Dragon Ball" is the first one I have watched.
Which character do you think you are like?
Unlike, we are not in the comics. But I like Sun Wukong. He fights the strongest opponents, but always keeps having fun. After defeating your opponent, you often become friends because of respecting them.
Does your iconic celebration move come from Sun Wukong?
No, not at all. I tell you the truth, no one knows (laughs). It was a young man named Ivandero Borges, who was with me at Borussia Mönchengladbach. He joined the professional team during my last season in Germany. I said to him, "You are going to play for a profession, the striker needs to have a celebration move." He said, "I have it." Then he showed me the gesture. I said, "This action is cool, but you won't use too much this season because you don't play much." (laughs) As a result, he didn't play much, and I said, "I used your action when I scored a goal." But no one knew that this was his action (laughs). Now this has become my celebration move, and I use it with Ottoman (Demberle) and Kevren.
Still watch "Dragon Ball"?
I have watched less now, I have basically finished watching it, and I have even watched "Dragon Ball Super". But every year there are new comics, such as Attack on Titans and JOJO's Wonderful Adventures, many of them.
You used to be a gorilla in your Instagram avatar, why did you change it?
That was the misunderstanding in Dragon Ball, when the little Goku turned into a gorilla in full moon. Moise Keane stole mine (laughs).
Many French players say their style comes from the streets and are out of the desire to help their families. You are completely different, what is the motivation?
My love for football. I love football so much that I can't imagine a life without football. I have been training and playing football since I was a child, and my mind is full of football.
Usually, the desire for success comes from struggles from the bottom to the top. This is a common story for players.
is not just a player, it is often like this in life.
Don't a boy like you need this motivation?
Why not need it?
You are not starting from the bottom.
Yes, I'm not from the bottom of the house at all. But you don't need to be from the bottom to have desires. You don't have to be at a low point to have the motivation to succeed.
People who have not lacked anything may not desire that much.
I didn't have everything when I was a kid. Not missing anything does not mean I have no desire. On the other hand, some people who have nothing to desire.
For example, in the same issue of magazine, Dylan Buckwa said that his mother could not afford sneakers, so he wanted to help her successfully. You have never been like this.
Is there anything that doesn't necessarily bring desire. I believe that many people in the world have nothing or desire to stay where they are. There are also many people who are big bosses, but they especially want to succeed. This is an educational issue, not whether there is anything or not. My dad taught me that you have to work hard whatever you want. I work hard not to change my life, but because I love football. I have to work hard to make football a part of my life.
How are you at the Neolith Olympics?
Rare in football history, and two sons of a top player also have outstanding careers. Do you realize this?
Are you sure? No other examples? Patrick Cruivet? Oh no, he only has one son in the Premier League. We are two. Thank you parents, they did a pretty job.
That's it?
is they bring us on the right track and guide us. Of course, we have to work hard, but if we start with the wrong direction, it will be difficult to reach this height.
I have been called "Son of So-and-Secretly" throughout my career. Are you upset?
Not annoying, because I am "his son". I was not the "son of so-and-so" when I was 15 years old (laugh). I have known since I was a child that my dad played football, and my brother also knew it. It's pride for me. I am the son of Lilian Tulam, and I am Marcus Tulam, the elder brother of Kevren Tulam. Why are you upset? This is pride. My dad is one of the best defenders in the world. Now I win the championship at Inter and Kevron is at Juventus. Many people want to stand in our position.
Interestingly, you and your brother performed too well and others started to say "So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So-So Agree?
No, never (laughs). Even if I win all the trophys, I am still "his son". My dad's achievements cannot be erased. No matter how dazzling I am, I can't erase it. He was before me, it wasn't a game. Just the fact: Marcus Toulam, the son of Lelian Toulam.
But some people say that Lilian Tulam, the father of Marcus Tulam.
Yes, now someone says that. I know, I'm not stupid. This doesn't bother me at all.
Tell me about Kevren Toulam, what do you think of his level?
I can't be objective because he is my favorite player, my younger brother, and everything about me. I can't answer objectively, but he has made rapid progress and is very talented. I believe he can be one of the best players in his position.
Do you think he has the potential to be the best?
The "best" in football is very subjective, especially for the players I love the most. I said he could definitely be one of the best.
Is it a goal for you to play for the next World Cup for France together?
Yes, this is one of our common goals.
Are you hinting at Deschamps?
No, never. I would never do that.
You used to say that you did a lot of introspection, but are you still like this now?
Yes, I also do visualization. Do it often before the game.
Can you talk about it?
This is taught by my dad and my cousin. They say positive thoughts attract positive results. I try to think positively, imagine the movements on the field and complete them successfully, imagine the goals in life and realize them, imagine dreams come true, and hope that the universe will respond to me.
What is the most difficult problem you have ever asked yourself?
There are new questions every day. Why is this? Why that? There may not be an answer, but the most common question I ask is: "Why is there racism in 2025?"
or can't find the answer?
There are some preliminary answers, but based on my experience, I don't understand why others can't get the same answer as me.
What is your answer?
Why is racism still there? Because people are not taught to love their neighbors.
Then is this impossible to eradicate?
If you think so, it means you are not resisting racism.
No, but this has been around since ancient times, how can it be eradicated?
It's not that long ago, blacks and whites can't use the same facilities. Now that's OK, it means there's progress. Do you think this will always be like this?
As you said, education is inheritance. Racists don't pass on the right ideas to their sons.
Yes, but we can make racism less and less. I believe it will be eradicated one day. I have hope. This is the question I least understand. Sometimes when I lay in bed, I think, it's incredible. I don't understand how people can't understand racism is crazy.
Sometimes watching TV feels that racism is normalized. what to do?
Yes, I don't understand. I'm not asking, "Why are there racists?" I'm asking, "How can they have such prejudice, such negative thoughts?" I can't understand.
Have you lived in the same room with racists? How to deal with it?
is not disclosed. There may be, but they did not make racist moves to me. Some people feel that racism does not exist because they are not directly victimized. Racism is everywhere.
What do you see when you look in the mirror?
A 27-year-old young black man is succeeding and very happy.
What do you need to be happier?
I didn't pursue this. I'm very satisfied now. People who always pursue happier will eventually be unhappy.
Talk about your dad often, and talk about your mom less. How does she view your career?
For my mom, she is super proud no matter what I do. Kevren and I are her best sons. She has always supported us.
Will she give football advice?
Of course. She would say what she thought, we would talk about football. Mom’s feelings are very unique, so of course we listen.
often talk about Lilian, Marcus, and Kevren, but never talk about her. She was ignored.
No, she was not ignored. It's just normal, she has never played football.
How is your relationship with her?
My mother is my whole world and my whole life.
I often hear you say your dad, less mom, so I ask.
It is hard to mention my mother after the interview.
Do she understand football?
Yes, I understood it before, but she understood it when my dad played football. She has no technical and tactical analysis, but knows all the players. She pays attention to our behavior, such things. Anyway, I have to perform well.
Do you remember your dad’s transfer to Paris Saint-Germain failed?
No, no, no impression.
Haven't you experienced it?
I was only 10 years old at that time. I only know that he has a heart problem and has not passed the physical examination. We were well protected when we were kids and didn’t go through this in depth.
Someone thinks you will complete this transfer and return to Paris. Where to go
?
Paris Saint-Germain. Your name is often connected to Paris.
Yes, that was when I was leaving Germany. Because I am a free agent, I am associated with many clubs, including Milan, Inter Milan, Paris, Leipzig, and many European clubs.
What is your dream now?
Keep playing football, enjoy, like I said, every game and every training has improved.
The biggest ambition?
Continue to win championships with the club and national team.
If you were a reporter, what would you ask Marcus Turam?
I won't ask him any questions. It’s not that I don’t pay attention to him, but I have no problem asking.
End the interview with one sentence that represents your words. What would you say?
(He looked for it on his phone and read it out) "Oh, my body, let me always be a person who asks questions!" As I said in the whole interview, progress depends on asking questions and thinking. My goal is to wake up every day better than the previous day. This is what Franz Fanon said, which my dad and I discovered while watching the documentary.
How many points did you give this interview?
I gave myself 8 points in the interview and always felt that it would be better. But with the shooting, I gave myself 10 points. After all, I took a photo with a snake (cover), which is so unique (laugh)!